Pastor Charles Carfrey, of the Lord’s House Church in Buckeye, AZ, was sentenced to two years in prison and lifetime probation under a plea agreement sentencing related to charges of sexual conduct with a minor.
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He only gets TWO YEARS in prison? Are you kidding me? As if probation is going to keep him from hurting other children. This is really appalling!
i SAY LEAVE THE JUDGEING UP TO GOD. HE IS MORE FAIR, ANYWAY!
I’m afraid you are operating under several common misconceptions in the church.
First, all allegations of physical or sexual abuse against a minor are required by law to be reported to authorities.
Second, the Word says in I Peter 2 that we are to submit to every ordinance of man — so it would be a violation of the Word to fail to obey this law.
Third, the Word says that someone who is guilty of sexual sin in the church is to be confronted, and if unrepentant, they are to be excommunicated (I Cor. 5).
Fourth, the Word says that pastors who are in sin are to be reproved before all so that others will see and learn (I Tim.5:20).
Fifth, you have a misunderstanding of God’s judgment and the way He has set up authority. God gave authority on earth to man. He does not jump in and meddle where he has given us authority. And man – both the civil authorities (I Peter 2) and church authorities (Mt. 18, I Cor. 5, II Tim 5) – have been given the authority to judge sin such as this. Meanwhile, God’s judgment is not being passed upon mankind under the New Covenant. It is reserved until the end of time. And at that time, the only thing people will be judged for is whether or not they accepted the sacrifice of Jesus.
It is our responsibility to judge. To “leave it in the hands of God” is both unscriptural and irresponsible. And it leads to further unrestrained sin of this type.
– Danni
YOU ARE SADLY MISTAKEN. GOD IS A FAIR JUDGE AND I WOULD RATHER BE JUDGED BY HIM THAN MAN. MAN IS CORRUPT IN THEIR THINKING AND FOR THE MOST PART JUDGE BY APPEARANCE THAN BY WHAT IS IN THE HEART. READ FIRST SAMUEL 16. NOT JUST THAT CHAPTER; READ THE LIFE OF DAVID WHOM GOD SAID WAS A MAN AFTER HIS OWN HEART! THE OTHER THING THAT GOD SAYS IS “VENGENCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY.” THEREFORE IT IS NOT “UNSCRIPTURAL” TO SAY LET GOD BE THE JUDGE. YES, WE NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE, BUT THAT’S NOT WHAT THE ABOVE STATEMENT MEANS. SOME PEOPLE MAKE JUDGEMENTS BEFORE THEY SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE AND THOSE ARE THE ONES WHO NEED TO LEAVE IT IN GOD’S VERY CAPABLE HANDS. AND INSTEAD OF JUDGING, PRAYING THAT THAT ”OFFENDER” REPENTS AND DOES AN ABOUT FACE AND RUNS ACK TO GOD. FOR GOD’S LOVE NEVER CHANGES. READ THE STORY OF THE PRODIGAL SON (LUKE 15). THAT’S THE GOD I LOVE AND SERVE!
It is our duty as christians to protect our children and the reputation of the church as a whole. Yes pray for the sicko offender. Love him. He has a soul, too. But don’t go as far as letting him off the hook so easy with the cop out “let God be the judge”
Just because he serves his plea bargin time doesn’t mean we should allow him near children!!!!
If we are not to judge evil then why did God ask us not to cast our pearls before the swine? If we can’t judge good from evil how are we supposed to know who the pigs are? (Matt 7:6) Last time I checked Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. We know good from evil. AND We have the Holy Spirit to guide us.
God says we are to judge and point it out to the church. It’s not my opinion — it’s the Word of God. Argue with Him.
Matthew 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
1 Corinthians 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
1 Timothy 5:19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
– Danni
Danni….sounds like YOU are an idiot
No she’s not and idiot!!!! If she’s like me she is just sick and tired of church politics running a muck and leaving our children unprotected in the balance. Calling names and “leaving it in God’s hands” is just cowardly and lazy. Of course he wants us to trust him, but he also wants us to be proactive in our beliefs. He certainly does not want us to sit quietly and idoly by while abuses continue to take place. He expects more from us that just going to church 3 times a week, a Jesus fish pin, and a God is my co-pilot bumper sticker.
1)JOHN 8:6-11
“THE RELIGION SCHOLARS AND THE PHARISES LED A WOMAN WHO HAD BEEN CAUGHT IN AN ACT OF ADULTERY. THEY STOOD HER IN PLAIN SIGHT OF EVERYONE AND SAID,’TEACHER, THIS WOMAN WAS CAUGHT RED-HANDED IN THE ACT OF ADULTERY. MOSES, IN THE LAW, GIVES ORDERS TO STONE SUCH PERSONS. WHAT DO YOU SAY?’ THEY WERE TRYING TO TRAP HIM INTO SAYING SOMETHING INCRIMINATING SO THEY COULD BRING CHARGES AGAINST HIM.
JESUS BENT DOWN AND WROTE WITH HIS FINGER IN THE DIRT. THEY KEPT AT HIM, BADGERING HIM. HE STRAIGHTENED UP AND SAID,’ THE SINLESS ONE AMONG YOU, GO FIRST.’ BENDING DOWN AGAIN, HE WROTE SOME MORE IN THE DIRT.
HEARING THAT, THEY WALKED AWAY, ONE AFTER ANOTHER, BEGINNING WITH THE OLDEST. THE WOMAN WAS LEFT ALONE. JESUS STOOD UP AND SPOKE TO HER,’ WOMAN, WHERE ARE THEY? DOES NO ONE CONDEMN YOU?’
‘ NO ONE, MASTER.’
‘ NEITHER DO I,’ SAID JESUS. ‘ GO ON YOUR WAY. FROM NOW ON, DON’T SIN.”
2)MATTHEW 7:1-5
“DON’T PICK ON PEOPLE, JUMP ON THEIR FAILURES, CRITICIZE THEIR FAULTS- UNLESS, OF COURSE, YOU WANT THE SAME TREATMENT. THAT CRITICAL SPIRIT HAS A WAY OF BOOMERANGING. IT’S EASY TO SEE A SMUDGE ON YOUR NEIGHBOR’S FACE AND BE OBLIVIOUS TO THE UGLY SNEER ON YOUR OWN. DO YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO SAY,’ LET ME WASH YOUR FACE FOR YOU,’ WHEN YOUR OWN FACE IS DISTORTED BY CONTEMPT? IT’S THIS TRAVELING ROAD-SHOW MENTALITY ALL OVER AGAIN, PLAYING A HOLIER-THAN-THOU PART INSTEAD OF JUST LIVING YOUR PART. WIPE THAT UGLY SNEER OFF YOUR OWN FACE, AND YOU MIGHT BE FIT TO OFFER A WASHCLOTH TO YOU NEIGHBOR.”
KNOW THE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES BEFORE PASSING JUDGEMENT ON SOME ONE. IF YOU DON’T KNOW THE PERSON, DON’T JUDGE THEM. IT’S NOT YOUR PLACE. IT’S THE PLACE OF THE PEOPLE WHO DO KNOW THEM AND THE JUDGES WHO ARE APPOINTED.
AND SERIOUSLY, WHY WOULD YOU CALL ANYONE AN IDIOT OR A COWARD OR LAZY? THANK GOD WE STILL HAVE FREE SPEECH. HOWEVER, WE ARE SLOWLY LOOSING THAT!